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andydasmith
Pulcino

United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/06/2020 :  18:35:46  Show Profile  Visit andydasmith's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi, I have a KRT2 radio connected to a Kobo Aura 2 running LK8000. I find it much easier to control the radio via the Kobo because it is faster and easier to see than the radio. I have a list of the most used frequencies stored in the KRT2 but switching is slow and the display hard to read. I have seen that there is a "File" option when selecting frequencies within the radio interface but it appears to be empty at present. Is there a spec for creating this file somewhere in the documentation?

AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2020 :  22:16:31  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The Radio Fequencies can be in CUP Files, OpenAIP Files for the waypoints or in the Airspace files (Open Airspace or OpenAIP)
For the Android devices these files can be downloaded an installed by LKMaps.
sources are
http://openaip.net/
https://www.openflightmaps.org/
and the national soaring organisations.

For LK Maps we are using all of these sources and copy the data in a seperate repository.
https://github.com/AlphaLima/LK8000_Data

For Kobo the files must be copied manually into the appropiate directories.

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andydasmith
Pulcino

United Kingdom
41 Posts

Posted - 28/06/2020 :  13:02:58  Show Profile  Visit andydasmith's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks, I tried editing an airfield CUP file which already contained the frequency field (3 commas from the end). The airfields were still found in my modified file but the glider frequencies I entered were not. The code appears to filter initially on distance from the current position in the airfield or waypoint CUP file. I left the lat and long fields blank.
In the UK we have around 12 gliding frequencies and it would be nice not to have to remember them and enter manually on LK8000. Using the "MEM" function and turning the rotary knob on the KRT2 is very slow and hard to see in sunlight.
Perhaps this is really a feature request?
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 28/06/2020 :  18:22:32  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
CUP file:
name,code,country,lat,lon,elev,style,rwdir,rwlen,freq ,desc
"Alzate Brianza",ALZATEBR,IT,4546.167N,00909.667E,384.0m,5,30,600.0m,"123.505",LILB
(mind the quotation mark)



Open Airspace File:
just put a valid 8.33kHz frequency in the airspace name section


AC D
AN Niederrhein 129.875
AH FL65
AL 2500ft MSL
DP 51:39:58 N 6:15:16 E
DP 51:39:54 N 6:19:26 E
DP 51:38:54 N 6:19:23 E
DP 51:38:58 N 6:15:12 E
DP 51:39:07 N 6:07:01 E
DP 51:39:07 N 6:06:59 E



OpenAIP:
just put a valid 8.33kHz frequency in the airspace name section

<ASP CATEGORY="GLIDING">
<VERSION>ba3b1da6865cef1e365a769ade6e3c2f883fb0b5</VERSION>
<ID>235376</ID>
<COUNTRY>DE</COUNTRY>
<NAME>Alb-Sued 128.950</NAME>
<ALTLIMIT_TOP REFERENCE="STD">
<ALT UNIT="FL">100</ALT>
</ALTLIMIT_TOP>
<ALTLIMIT_BOTTOM REFERENCE="STD">
<ALT UNIT="FL">75</ALT>
</ALTLIMIT_BOTTOM>
<GEOMETRY>
<POLYGON>9.2336111111111 48.4675, 9.6255555555556 48.5625, 9.6391666666667 48.496388888889, 9.2605555555556 48.416388888889, 9.2336111111111 48.4675</POLYGON>
</GEOMETRY>
</ASP>


Edited by - AlphaLima on 28/06/2020 18:56:26
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andydasmith
Pulcino

United Kingdom
41 Posts

Posted - 29/06/2020 :  21:17:49  Show Profile  Visit andydasmith's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The gliding frequencies I wish to select are available for the whole of the UK. That is why I did not enter a lat and long in the file I edited. To get access to the frequencies via the LK8000 radio interface it looks like I have to add them to every piece of airspace and airport data. Thanks for the info, I don't think it's what I'm trying to achieve,
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 29/06/2020 :  21:35:23  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
But you can add more frequencies in a waypoint details.
https://www.lk8000.it/manual/LK8000_71.pdf (Page 11)

works with openAIP Format only:
https://github.com/AlphaLima/LK8000_Data/blob/master/_Waypoints/Europe/openaip_airports_germany_de.aip#L13560

or

you can define airspaces covering the country or flying region of interest. You should use a unused airspace type and disable warnings.

Edited by - AlphaLima on 29/06/2020 21:54:12
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
205 Posts

Posted - 30/06/2020 :  10:43:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlphaLima


you can define airspaces covering the country or flying region of interest. You should use a unused airspace type and disable warnings.



When you apply an extra airspace layer, eg F, an extra color will also appear in the map. It would be nice if this extra layer could be made "invisible". Just like this is possible in XCSoar (Map Display / Airspace / Colors). You can set the line thickness to "0" here and choose not to fill it. Result: the area is not visible on the map but the info will be visible when you make a "long click" on the screen.

Edited by - BravoLima on 30/06/2020 10:47:33
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  13:59:50  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why don't you simply permanently disable this aispace .
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
205 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  15:14:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlphaLima

Why don't you simply permanently disable this aispace .



Recently 10 new air-to-air frequencies have been added in Germany (see: NfL_1-1935-20).

I made an Openair file and put the frequencies in the area name. The regions I gave airspace classification F. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uqz68qa59vi1eh/DE-AIR_A2A-FREQ.txt?dl=0

The strangely drawn regions are displayed on the map according the color of airspace F. If I disable them, the regions are still visible by the gray "disabled airspace" line.

In this way, too many distracting lines appear on the map. Therefore my request to make a "cloak option" that can hide a layer but keeps the information available.

Edited by - BravoLima on 04/07/2020 10:33:34
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AlphaLima
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Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  16:12:07  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No,we already have too many options.
you can use the notepad or radio memory instead.
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
205 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  16:39:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, that means going back to a paper map to determine which region you're flying in and then looking for a corresponding frequency in the radio memory.
I'm sorry, but that's not really the solution I expected from LK8000.
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brunotl
Pterodattilo

France
735 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  22:48:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BravoLima

Okay, that means going back to a paper map to determine which region you're flying in and then looking for a corresponding frequency in the radio memory.
I'm sorry, but that's not really the solution I expected from LK8000.



what do you expect ?
we spend most of our free time for free to make this software, it's not enough ??
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2020 :  23:38:51  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Notepad: Info2/2->Notepad
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
205 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2020 :  09:19:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How to connect a Notepad input to a region (airspace).
I went through the manuals v3 and 7.1 but couldn't find anything.

Another solution, but not my preference, is to create one or more waypoints within a region and add the frequencies to it. Better: the oracle or aircraft position (Multiselect elements) also displays the A2A region and frequencies.

Edited by - BravoLima on 02/07/2020 11:10:09
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1861 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2020 :  10:36:46  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ok, feel free to implement it. This is an open source project.
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
205 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2020 :  15:08:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I had the skills I would have implemented a "no-outline & no-fill" option in the airspace color section as indicated above.
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