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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
278 Posts

Posted - 15/04/2023 :  10:29:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How can I add an Airway in an Openair file. In SeeYou this is possible with DY (Airway segment) but in LK it seems to be impossible.

Edited by - BravoLima on 15/04/2023 10:31:20

davesalmon
Pterodattilo

United Kingdom
1629 Posts

Posted - 15/04/2023 :  12:27:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OpenAir is just a text file, so create a new segment following the pattern of other segments. Name, type, base, top, geographical points, etc, and copy and paste it into the file and save. Doesn't matter where you put it in the file.Do check and double check everything though!
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
278 Posts

Posted - 15/04/2023 :  16:38:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is what I made for the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight on May 4 in the Netherlands:

AC AWY
AN BBMF MAY 4 [NOTAM M0915/23]
AH 1500FT MSL
AL SFC
V W=1
DY 51:25:30 N 004:41:00 E *estimated position
*entering Amsterdam FIR southwest of EHGR
DY 51:34:15 N 004:55:59 E *EHGR 13:10LT
DY 51:59:15 N 005:29:41 E *ELST (TABAKSWEG)
DY 52:03:35 N 005:52:19 E *EHDL
DY 52:03:26 N 005:55:28 E *EHTL
DY 52:06:24 N 006:05:33 E *HAL
DY 52:14:27 N 006:17:57 E *BATHMEN
DY 52:16:56 N 006:17:04 E *DEN HAM
DY 52:29:46 N 006:38:48 E *SIBCULO
DY 52:40:34 N 006:29:21 E *ALTEVEER
DY 52:43:51 N 006:30:58 E *EHHO
DY 53:07:30 N 006:35:00 E *EHGG
DY 53:10:21 N 006:32:44 E *EELDERWOLDE
DY 53:13:31 N 005:45:09 E *EHLW
DY 53:10:42 N 005:25:25 E *HARLINGEN
DY 53:06:55 N 004:50:01 E *EHTX
DY 53:03:31 N 004:47:40 E *TEXEL
DY 52:55:25 N 004:46:50 E *EHKD
DY 52:44:06 N 004:52:53 E *NIEUWE NIEDORP
DY 52:40:41 N 004:42:38 E *BERGEN 14:44LT
DY 52:42:30 N 004:04:00 E *estimated position
*leaving Amsterdam FIR in the west
DY 52:40:41 N 004:42:38 E
DY 52:44:06 N 004:52:53 E
DY 52:55:25 N 004:46:50 E
DY 53:03:31 N 004:47:40 E
DY 53:06:55 N 004:50:01 E
DY 53:10:42 N 005:25:25 E
DY 53:13:31 N 005:45:09 E
DY 53:10:21 N 006:32:44 E
DY 53:07:30 N 006:35:00 E
DY 52:43:51 N 006:30:58 E
DY 52:40:34 N 006:29:21 E
DY 52:29:46 N 006:38:48 E
DY 52:16:56 N 006:17:04 E
DY 52:14:27 N 006:17:57 E
DY 52:06:24 N 006:05:33 E
DY 52:03:26 N 005:55:28 E
DY 52:03:35 N 005:52:19 E
DY 51:59:15 N 005:29:41 E
DY 51:34:15 N 004:55:59 E
DY 51:25:30 N 004:41:00 E
*=====================END


See picture: https://ibb.co/gywgWXy

To close the route I reversed all the waypoints from the final to the first waypoint.
In SeeYou you get nice rectangular segments and the width can be set by: V W=number.
Do you mean I have to make all the segments (geographical points) by myself to make it work in LK?

EDIT:
deleted DY 52:42:30 N 004:04:00 E in reversed portion of airway definition, position not needed

Edited by - BravoLima on 16/04/2023 11:44:34
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davesalmon
Pterodattilo

United Kingdom
1629 Posts

Posted - 15/04/2023 :  20:10:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes you do have to make the points yourself. As far as I know that is how it has always worked, SeeYou may have introduced an easier way. Not come across DY before, OpenAir uses DP. Note the * between each segment Here is a sample, part of our WaveBox
*
AC W
AN CAMPHILL BOX FL100
AL FL85
AH FL100
DP 53:27:19 N 001:46:17 W
DP 53:30:17 N 001:16:41 W
DP 53:19:38 N 001:15:32 W
DP 53:20:12 N 001:18:40 W
DP 53:21:10 N 001:29:01 W
DP 53:19:30 N 001:31:31 W
DP 53:12:44 N 001:31:41 W
DP 53:11:37 N 001:36:31 W
DP 53:27:19 N 001:46:17 W
*
AC W
AN CAMPHILL BOX FL190
AL FL100
AH FL190
DP 53:27:19 N 001:46:17 W
DP 53:30:17 N 001:16:41 W
DP 53:19:38 N 001:15:32 W
DP 53:20:12 N 001:18:40 W
DP 53:21:10 N 001:29:01 W
DP 53:20:03 N 001:30:42 W
DP 53:14:18 N 001:24:49 W
DP 53:11:37 N 001:36:31 W
DP 53:27:19 N 001:46:17 W
*
I think OpenAir started out as Cambridge (the vario company), a web search should find more information. You close by repeating the first DP at the end, as you will see above.

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brunotl
Pterodattilo

France
1114 Posts

Posted - 16/04/2023 :  01:02:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BravoLima

How can I add an Airway in an Openair file. In SeeYou this is possible with DY (Airway segment) but in LK it seems to be impossible.



you have documentation about 'DY' ? it's in openair files ?
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
278 Posts

Posted - 16/04/2023 :  02:00:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I created this file through trial and error.

At first I used DP and then got a line on the map (from start to finish and back). I then searched further in the online manuals of the Openair format. It provides information about the Airway segment DY with the comment NYI (not yet implemented).

In one of the manuals I read that Naviter uses the classification AWY and I tried DY instead of DP. Then I figured out how to determine the width with V W=, resulting in the file above.

The image comes from SeeYou and I also converted the .txt file to .cub and tested it in the LX simulator. The Airway segments were also neatly displayed here.

Unfortunately I have no information about how DY works.

I think that this is what DY does: https://ibb.co/9vr08vH and https://ibb.co/sRmqsCs

Edited by - BravoLima on 16/04/2023 15:02:46
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
278 Posts

Posted - 18/04/2023 :  12:51:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Openair .txt and Naviter .cub file:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3307k5ugwd9mx7b/AAD20O7bpz5zx7dJ5JSyMYYda?dl=0

As you can see, an Airway segment can be created as an Openair .txt file, but unfortunately it is not supported.
Perhaps it is worth considering to implement it after all.
Thank you in advance.
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Bre901
Pulcino

France
38 Posts

Posted - 18/04/2023 :  14:46:26  Show Profile  Visit Bre901's Homepage  Reply with Quote
FYI: There has been a discussion about DY codes in OpenAir files on the French soaring forum:

https://www.volavoile.net/topic/14295-pb-xcsoar-avec-derni%C3%A8re-mise-%C3%A0-jour-du-fichier-airspace/?do=findComment&comment=125884

Edited by - Bre901 on 18/04/2023 14:48:07
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brunotl
Pterodattilo

France
1114 Posts

Posted - 18/04/2023 :  23:42:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bre901, I've created an issues to don't forget it : https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/issues/1612

if anyone want to work on, wellcome ;-)
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BravoLima
Aquilotto

Netherlands
278 Posts

Posted - 19/04/2023 :  08:06:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Brunotl and Bre901
Thanks!
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