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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
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Posted - 20/05/2020 :  09:48:10  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have been flying a lot of Condor Races with LK8000 recently with a number being Grand Prix type starts.

It appears that the Next ETE data box in not filled until after the Task starts which makes it difficult to time a Grand Prix start accurately as there is no Time to Start Line.

I have been made aware that this facility is available in the Paraglider/Hang Glider mode.

Can Next ETE be made available prior to a Task Start in the Glider Mode. I guess it would be a bad idea to fly a glider in Hang Glider Mode?

See VERY old posts:-
https://www.postfrontal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3224 (2009)
https://www.postfrontal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5385 (2011)

Cheers - yet again ;-)
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia

brunotl
Pterodattilo

France
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Posted - 20/05/2020 :  11:24:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've made the change for that 6 years ago and ask to few pilot for non regression testing but i've never received any feedback...

i've rebased the code change so if anyone want to work on, it's welcome...
code change is available here : https://github.com/brunotl/LK8000/tree/TaskType

Edited by - brunotl on 20/05/2020 12:08:04
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
229 Posts

Posted - 21/05/2020 :  04:03:36  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would be happy to help if you can point me in the right direction with some more information about how to go about it. Which method would you suggest for a Windows 10 laptop with a quite small hard drive?

For my purposes, just having the Next ETE populated with the time to the Task Start point would be ok. With a little bit of assistance I may be able to track down the "double screen tap" issue on the PC version as well.....

Cheers
John
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
1864 Posts

Posted - 21/05/2020 :  12:38:57  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by brunotl

I've made the change for that 6 years ago and ask to few pilot for non regression testing but i've never received any feedback...

i've rebased the code change so if anyone want to work on, it's welcome...
code change is available here : https://github.com/brunotl/LK8000/tree/TaskType


I just compiled it if JBlyth want to test it :-)

Just notice a glitch, when I add first waypoint (Start) and go to select the type of Task, the types are duplicated.

Downloads (for testing only!): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lKIpEXQQ6_t9dh2u_K7JyOkYzlX51H-A
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
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Posted - 22/05/2020 :  15:17:39  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you parapenT1sta,

I will test it over the next few days and report back.

Cheers
John
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
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Posted - 22/05/2020 :  22:06:39  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I just uploaded the new version with a fix for the Type of Task Duplicated. The link is the same.
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
229 Posts

Posted - 23/05/2020 :  07:13:52  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you parapenT1sta,

I have downloaded the updated version.

I have done some early testing using Condor 2. What is the best way for me to report back?

In the mean time, I have done a small .docx report which can be found here:-
https://drive.google.com/open?id=13JL0wbHBC1F2qgpDPPa05puGWeX-2LKE

One of my other queries was why the "Next ETE" was not showing the time remaining to the Start of a Task (as in flying time - not count down). Is this by design or has it been overlooked.

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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
1864 Posts

Posted - 24/05/2020 :  18:26:35  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I think you can report it here or if you want you can open a GitHub ticket.

Here is the best place to do it because it's a unofficial release.
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
1864 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  01:44:13  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
@JBlyth

Can you download the new update? The bugs you found are already fixed.
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
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Posted - 01/06/2020 :  02:15:26  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
@brunotl

I just notice that if we select Grand Pix, we need to exit the Task Menu and open it again to see Time Gates option on the menu. Can you make it to appear as soon we select Gran Pix on the first waypoint?
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
229 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  03:17:15  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks. I will test it today and get back to you!

Cheers
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
229 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  06:28:25  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have had a quick look and tested a couple of starts with Condor 2, and the bugs I noted last time seem to have been beautifully resolved - except for the possible mis-capitalisation of WRONG outSIDE. However, it could be that that is a special term that I am unfamiliar with.

See image two in https://drive.google.com/open?id=13JL0wbHBC1F2qgpDPPa05puGWeX-2LKE

Although it is outside the topic of Grand Prix time gates, if you have time, could you explain why the NEXT ETE is not populated prior to starting a task as mentioned earlier. It would be nice to have a "time to go" to the start line even for non-Grand Prix types of starts....

Cheers
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia

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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
1864 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  12:06:36  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I have seen that since the beginning and I think it's to be read "WRONG SIDE"... then "out" it means that you are out when you should be in or vice versa.

Basically trying to give you all the information in two words.

Edited by - parapenT1sta on 01/06/2020 12:08:21
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
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Posted - 01/06/2020 :  12:19:04  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I can be wrong but for example we cannot also get Altitude Arrival for the Start with LK8000 on paragliding mode and it could be related to your issue with NEXT ETE.
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JBlyth
Aquilotto

Australia
229 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  13:30:13  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks parapenT1sta,

It is only when a task is set, otherwise Next ETE works correctly. Which is a little weird.

BUT - I think I have found another Bug in the version you compiled for me.

Here is a link to the IGC file and the Task I flew in a Condor 2 competition today with Gliding New Zealand.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1j1heS2zPRsL_UtAKWghaBn7YqB65NE2F

I had a very strange occurrence today, as the purple track line points well past the first waypoint, and even when the waypoint is changed after it is rounded, the track lline still points in the wrong direction. The distance to run is correct, but the track line continues to point in totally the wrong direction. It did point to the start line correctly. (not a Grand Prix start)

If I run the IGC file as a replay in the "normal" version of LK8000 everything works as expected, but if I use your recently compiled version, the "Track line" to the turn points points out into the ocean for thousands of kilometres and doesn't change as the turn points change. A very confusing occurrence!

If I can help further in any way. Please ask...

Cheers
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Portugal
1864 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2020 :  14:39:52  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
JBlyth,

I think the right person to help you is Bruno. Try to make a screenshot of the new version and the regular version to compare. And tell the exact time that it happens. More details helps tracing the bug.
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