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Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 29/04/2018 : 21:14:43
During this rainy day I have been on the internet, reading many reviews and checking specs left and right for many smartphones released in 2016, 2017 and 2018.. and also read some articles about smartphones that still have to be released this year..

The trend is that displays get brighter and taller, but not really wider, so we see some weird aspect ratios these days like 18:9, 19:9 and even 2:1 aspect ratio's.. so long displays ment to be used for photography, gaming and watching movies (ridiculous what can be achieved with todays smartphone camera's..) But the bezels are gettingf smaller, so overall size of the phones is not really increaded compared to my current 5.2 inch Nexus5x with rather thick bezels ot top and bottom

Because of the HDR+ and QHD video certification, many phones come out that can boost 600 nits or more and quite a few that are are much better than that.

Top of the list at the moment.. Nokia 8 with 700 nits, but rather expensive, but not as expensive as the Samsung galaxies 8 and 9 that are reported to go over 1000 nits under certain circumstances, but probably not when running LK8000 :-). Beside the high nits also the contrast ratio is much better then a few years ago which also helps in readability under sunlight, so this 700 nits might feel even better than the 850 nits of the GG and V2, due to the much improved contrast and sharpness.

Another phone that scores just below the Nokia 8 but is even more expensive because it is newer is the Huawei P20 with 695 nits in max auto, the display is also much bigger so might be a candidate as well in a few months if the price has dropped.

Cheaper options are Huawei Mate 9 and 10 (NOT the Lite or Pro versions) with well over 650 nits! Even cheaper, the Xiaomi Mi5S is good with more than 660 nits in max auto setting, but I read on gsmarena.com some user comments that after some time the screen starts to show discolloration (yellowish) I also checked the Mi 6 but this one does not have the high brightness of the 5s, but still really good with about 600 nits.

LG has also some very good phones for outdoors, on the LG website, the LG 5SE (2017) is advertised to have a daylight mode and then boost the nits 60% up to 850 Nits (check here, scroll down.. http://www.lg.com/nl/smartphones/lg-G5-SE-H840-Titan) I have only found one website who measured about 800 nits in max auto with daylight mode on. scroll down to see the numbers of sevral 1-1.5 year old phones https://www.anandtech.com/show/10217/the-lg-g5-review/4

Talkking LG here, their new flagship LG G7 ThinQ will be released this month and is already confirmed to have a, what they call, a "super bright" display capable of 1000 nits! It uses a new dislay technology and promisses to be awesome! Price will be likewise though, never buy a new phone the first 6 months it is released...If it lack popularity price will certainly drop after that period.. but good to keep an eye on and read some reviews about it too.

But also the other new LG V30SE may come with a brighter display then the current V30 which is already very good with more then 600 nits.

Anyway too many phones to get excited about! This year I will continue to use my mediocre Nexus 5X, but will keep my eye on what comes out this year and make a choice after the flying season.

I will update this thread now and then to update you guys on more phone news. I still have to dig deeper in the cheaper section of chinese phones like ZTE and Meizu
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hpronto Posted - 21/03/2019 : 01:01:49
+1 on the Nokia 8, on a hang glider.

Thanks for the tip, Marco!
davesalmon Posted - 18/03/2019 : 17:43:20
That is how it seems to work, only if Terrain is ON. I've now checked the baro 2 ways, against a digital GT Altimeter attached to my V2, and also compared with a local weather site. Both show it to be within 1hPa, about 10m, so quite happy with that.
Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 18/03/2019 : 11:44:17
quote:
Originally posted by davesalmon

Just bought a reconditioned Nokia 8 quite cheaply, mainly on your recommendation Marco. Not been able to fly with it yet, and waiting for delivery of the Soartronic BT module. Very impressed with the screen visibility even with the sun shining on it. Was also pleased to see it has a barometer, which I didn't know about, is it accurate?
My question, how exactly do the Lumen buttons work? I usually fly with Terrain off, Topology on, and a white background ,which gives very good screen visibility. However with Terrain off the Lumen buttons do nothing. With Terrain on, then by using Lumen+ the screen will brighten until the Terrain bleaches out, and the screen looks just like it does with Terrain off. So does this feature only work with Terrain?



I have no idea, because I never find the need to use these Lumen buttons, I also use LK8000 with terrain on in the low lands map mode. Works for me..

I am sure you will be quite happy with the Nokia 8, the smooth operation, accurate barometer and bright display make it a perfect device inside the glider cockpit.

davesalmon Posted - 17/03/2019 : 21:25:39
Just bought a reconditioned Nokia 8 quite cheaply, mainly on your recommendation Marco. Not been able to fly with it yet, and waiting for delivery of the Soartronic BT module. Very impressed with the screen visibility even with the sun shining on it. Was also pleased to see it has a barometer, which I didn't know about, is it accurate?
My question, how exactly do the Lumen buttons work? I usually fly with Terrain off, Topology on, and a white background ,which gives very good screen visibility. However with Terrain off the Lumen buttons do nothing. With Terrain on, then by using Lumen+ the screen will brighten until the Terrain bleaches out, and the screen looks just like it does with Terrain off. So does this feature only work with Terrain?
Mtbrider Posted - 10/11/2018 : 18:22:04
I have been using my Samsung S7 this year. The only problem has been leaving it open to sunlight whilst the glider was parked up, without a canopy cover on it. I had a warning that the phone would not charge as it was too hot. Easily sorted by taking the phone out or covering the canopy. The phone still worked anyway.

The screen was easily readable, Baro pressure and all the features of a modern phone.


For Condor I connect a Samsung Galaxy Tab via Bluetooth, so I do not upset the S7's settings or create "false" flights.
Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 16/09/2018 : 16:53:04
All I can say that with an Nokia 8 you get a very nice, reliable working Android Phone. Beside the exceptional good sun readability it also gets the latest Android updates (Android 8.1.0 with the august 1 security patch right now) very good battery life, and stock android without bloatware.

Something that you will see nowhere mentioned in review websites like GSMaerena, because it is very specific for how we use the phone as a navigation aid in a bright sunlit cockpit, is the following:

Important is that the Nokia has an IPS LCD display and NOT an Amoled.. Amoleds suffer from Burning in, when set to max brightness for hours on end like we do.. So even if they score better then the Nokia 8, I would not pick an Amoled display phone.. like the Moto Z2 Play.

So the only one that would survive from your list is the Nokia 8 (2017 version, not the new Scirocco, this one also has an Amoled display).

Just go for it, you will not regret it.
stayhigh Posted - 14/09/2018 : 21:03:12
Home from the store after comparing Nokia 8 to my Xperia XZs, and indeed, the Nokia 8 does seem a bit brighter than the XZs. Did however not get a chance to test the Nokia 8 in direct sunlight.
Nokia 8 also seemed brighter than the iPhone X and Galaxy S9 (indoor).

Have been flying with Xperia XZs for one season, and the readability in sunlight with sunglasses is quite OK.
Of course I would like an even better, brighter, display for next season...

Looking a bit at the sunlight contrast ratio table at gsmarena.com, which gives each display/phone a score depending on nits/glare/reflections:

Apple iPhone X 5.013
Samsung Galaxy S8 4.768
Samsung Galaxy S9 4.63
Sony Xperia XZ3 4.502
Motorola Moto Z2 Play 4.459
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge 4.439
OnePlus 3 4.424
Samsung Galaxy S7 4.376
Nokia 8 4.239

A phone that scores even higher than the Nokia 8 is Moto Z2 play (even though it has only 430 nits), which also has an attractive price. Anyone here with experience of it's sunlight readability? Or anyone else with Nokia 8 experience that can compare it to above list?

Parsifal Posted - 26/07/2018 : 20:29:54
quote:
Originally posted by Marco from Hangar 5

IPS is good!

Don't worry too much about the heating problem, just use it, you will see it is not much of a problem once you are flying. You do not get overheated yourself, do you? So why your phone would? :-) I have been flying with smartphones for many years before I had the Glider Guider, and I know of people flying with Iphones using Iglide also already for many years. We never experienced overheating problems, not even during the hottest of days (33 degrees or more!). You will love the quick response of the phone, and overall way smoother operation, then the Oudi... I will never go back to the GG.


I'll do it, Marco, thanks!
But now I don't want to change my setup, risking to have something notworking in flight...
Still, if I can, I'll shoot and post here some photos...
Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 26/07/2018 : 10:54:35
IPS is good!

Don't worry too much about the heating problem, just use it, you will see it is not much of a problem once you are flying. You do not get overheated yourself, do you? So why your phone would? :-) I have been flying with smartphones for many years before I had the Glider Guider, and I know of people flying with Iphones using Iglide also already for many years. We never experienced overheating problems, not even during the hottest of days (33 degrees or more!). You will love the quick response of the phone, and overall way smoother operation, then the Oudi... I will never go back to the GG.
Parsifal Posted - 26/07/2018 : 09:50:55
Thanks Marco for the extensive advice!
Display is IPS 4.6" and my case IS grey/white.
Will try in autumn, now I keep my Oudie Lite...
Nice landings
Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 24/07/2018 : 17:29:43
Smartphones are very reliable these days, but heat can be an issue if you do not take preventive measures, but when taken certain measures, it will be OK.

I had it last Saturday during a contest! It was a very hot day under the blazing sun (30+ degrees C)

First take off on the winch I could not find a thermal, so I had to land back. During the tow behind the car back to the grid, I made the mistake to leave the phone in the cockpit, and I did not put on the cockpit cover.. I had to wait for other starting aircraft for about 10 minutes before I could return to the starting grid. Result was that the cockpit got heated up quite a bit, including the phone. I could make a new take off right after putting the glider in position, so when I sat ready for take off, I discovered that the Nokia 8 was in sleep mode and a big warning panel the phone telling me it got too hot, and closed all running programs, including LK8000.

My retrieval crew mate was so clever to put the moist towl that I always have around my neck for cooling on hot days like this, around the Nokia for cooling.. This cooled the phone quickly and i could take off normally with LK8000 fully functioning... The cockpit was still quite hot, but leaving all vents and airscoop in the sliding window open for a while brought everything back to normal, and I did not experience such a overheating warning again.. and flew my best AAT ever that day!

Lesson learned:

DO NOT LEAVE YOUR PHONE IN THE COCKPIT UNDER THE BLAZING SUN WITHOUT THE COVERS ON.

Furthermore I do the following
1: I install my phone just minutes before start, so I can keep it out of the sun, quite cool in my pocket
2: I do NOT use fast charging, which sometimes happens when using a power bank that provides the latest and greatest charging specs, the charging capacity of the Bt Module I still use is only 5V 1.5 or 2 Amps.
3: Make sure the phone is (almost) fully charged before start (keep it on a power bank in a cool place), the power supply will then need only limited time to charge the phone and keep it charged to 100% the rest of the flight, which does not cause extra heat.
4: If you use a case, make sure it is a white one so it deflects the sunlight, actually I am thinking about buying a white case, only for gliding, for my rather dark matte blue Nokia 8, because when left in the sun this phone heats up in no time

I do not know what kind of display the Xperia uses, but Amoleds suffer a bit from burning in (Xiaomi phones are notorious for this, white will get yellowish on these phones after a while, looks terrible!), the IPS LED displays like the Nokia 8 uses, do not have this problem and can be left on fully bright all day without any issue. The only thing is that the backlight may deteriorate a bit faster, but before I will notice, I probably will have another phone anyways.

I hope this helps!
Parsifal Posted - 24/07/2018 : 01:16:35
Last sunday I compared my Oudie2 Lite with my brand new Xperia XZ1 Compact (279euro in Amazon Prime Day offer): in full sunlight, inside the cockpit of my glider, the phone was by far more readable (sorry, no pictures...).
The XZ1 Compact has an extraordinary battery (almost two days of normal use as a phone), and it should last enough, especially if supported by a power bank, that indeed is essential with the Oudie2 Lite.
Yet, my doubt is about keeping a smartphone in a bright and hot cockpit for many hours...

P.S.: The XZ1 Compact has also an internal baro sensor
wrogers Posted - 23/06/2018 : 08:50:18
Marco, never mind. I turned Nokia 8 BT on then paired it with Nano from phone. Then was able to select it from LK8000 Setup->Device Setup
wrogers Posted - 23/06/2018 : 08:25:25
Marco,

I don't see how to pair bluetooth through LK8000 on my Nokia 8 using 6.1r. No bluetooth button in device setup. Am I missing something here?

BTW, if you go to my post comparing Vertica V2 and Nokia 8 with images, the URL links now work. It just doesn't display photos in line.

Marco from Hangar 5 Posted - 19/06/2018 : 11:08:45
You could use Google drive or OneDrive (microsoft) and share the links, but then the pictures do not show directly. If you have a webpage area with your ISP, you could use that.

Googled a bit, maybe this is better (not tried yet) https://imgbb.com/

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