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JBlyth
Falchetto

Australia
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Posted - 06/07/2017 :  05:40:28  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have been reading through the Forum about setting up Live Tracking for the new Android Version, and I am confused.....

From within LK8000 I have tested using www.livetrack24.com with Port 80 and my livetrack24 usename and password within LK8000, and this appears to work.

When I tried skylines.aero and Port 80 and my Skylines Tracking number as username and my password, there were no tracks picked up by Skylines, so I take it LK8000 doesn't send to it properly???? The Skylines website says this:- "You can also use all available applications that use the LiveTrack24 protocol for sending your locations to SkyLines. Just use your Live Tracking Key as username, choose any password you want and configure skylines.aero as the server."

SkyLines Tracker works fine with WiFi on my Nexus 5x phone, but it won't work on my Nexus 9 Tablet as the settings page doesn't display. (Google Play says it is not compatible, but I side loaded the App).

Are there any benefits to using either Livetrack24 or Skylines Aero over the other - apart from the fact that Skylines doesn't appear to work from within Lk8000 at the moment?

Many thanks
John Blyth - in Sunny Carnarvon, Western Australia

Edited by - JBlyth on 06/07/2017 11:10:26

parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo

Canada
1800 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2017 :  12:54:01  Show Profile  Visit parapenT1sta's Homepage  Click to see parapenT1sta's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
http://www.postfrontal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8604
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JBlyth
Falchetto

Australia
135 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2017 :  03:57:20  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you, parapenT1sta, for the link.

[EDIT] I have got the feed from LK8000 to glidertracker.org working, but I have left my original questions in this post in the hope it might assist others!

I had looked at https://glidertracker.org/hub previously, but found it very hard to follow as the hyperlinks don't look like hyperlinks [EDIT] at least with the CHROME Browser - when I looked on my tablet, the hyperlinks were obvious, and the Help didn't help me much in setting things up - I'm afraid to say...[EDIT] I have now seen the hyperlink to the Manual on the HELP page, but I hadn't noticed it before. Perhaps it could be in a different colour or font to make it easier to spot - or just put the Manual on the Help page ;-)

I have worked my way through to the Feed Configuration (once I found it), but it insists that I put in a Skylines Number, even though I don't want that function as yet. However, it won't accept either my "number" or Live Tracking Key. It also insists on a FLARM Configuration "Address" although I do not have a FLARM.
[EDIT] It seems the Feed configuration is accepted in spite of the errors about Skylines and FLARM mentioned above - which is great - but it won't accept my Skylines "ID" regardless... [EDIT] Eventually it did when I followed the MANUAL more closely - Tracking ID in the Send to Skylines and "viewing" number in the Get from Skylines

Also, LK8000 seems to insist on an UPPER CASE password, but the glidertracker.org site won't allow an upper case password for login.
[EDIT] It seems to work if the LK8000 password is entered in upper case (can the password be different in LK8000 to the Login one?)

In LK8000 Pilot Setup, is the LT Server glidertracker.org or https://www.glidertracker.org? I was under the impression from other posts that HTTPS wasn't usable in LK8000.

[EDIT] glidertracker.org works!

Sorry about all the questions ;-) I really appreciate your help and the effort you have put into creating the site!

Many thanks
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia

Edited by - JBlyth on 08/07/2017 03:25:37
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1543 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2017 :  10:04:10  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi John,
thanks for helping answering questions caused by the incomplete manual. Since we are not native english speakers and we are in the middle of the gliding season.
Maybe you are interested in revising the TrackingHub manual?
Thx
Ulli
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JBlyth
Falchetto

Australia
135 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2017 :  10:39:57  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would be very happy to help, Ulli.

What would be the best way to assist? I have some IT and web skills that I would be happy to use if they are of any use.

Cheers
John
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1543 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2017 :  11:15:08  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Check your PM! ;-)
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danielvelez
Falchetto

Colombia
113 Posts

Posted - 10/07/2017 :  03:50:38  Show Profile  Visit danielvelez's Homepage  Click to see danielvelez's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hello There.

Im trying to understand glidertracker.org... and also trying to see it in action (simulation) if possible.

Im guessing that if one have lk8000 configured to use as a client with LT Server pointing to glidertracker, then one would see the trafic on the lk8000 client and would broadcast to glidertracker your own status.

So glidertracker can feed from more sources than if you only use livetrack24 for instance...

Not sure if you would get to see all the livetrack24 traffic that is broadcasted or only your friends (as it happens with livetracker24 LT Server config).
So a few questions arises:

If I set everything ok, and try to use LK8000 on simulation, does the simulation get broadcasted? To see if its working?
If I use LK8000 not in simulation but in "condor" would it broadcast my "condorsoaring computer flight" as an actual traffic?

Could two condorsoaring players, using lk8000 as a standalone navigator can see each other on the FLARM or Radar interfase on LK8000 using glidertracker.org?

Could we have a "glidertracker.org/sim/" sub-address to play with the software and see it in action without actually flying and trying to figure out if it works?

Thanks, and keep up the good work. A lot of potential being unleashed there.




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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo

Netherlands
813 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2017 :  00:47:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have ADS-B and OGN for glider tracking on various websites (works via FLARM and the transponder I have on board)

For my friends to follow only me on skylines.aero, sometimes I just run the Skylines Tracker app beside LK8000 on my Smartphone (also a Nexus 5X), very small app that uses the internal GPS, just make sure in settings the server address resolution is set to FIX in stead of DNS, this way the correct IP address is used.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.luethi.skylinestracker

Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS
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JBlyth
Falchetto

Australia
135 Posts

Posted - 29/07/2017 :  02:19:11  Show Profile  Visit JBlyth's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi danielvelez,

Sorry, I just saw this post from a few weeks ago....

I can confirm that data is sent when in simulator mode. Also, for testing purposes, if you set "Tracking mode" in Pilot Setup to "permanent", data will be sent whenever LK8000 is active.

Cheers
John in Sunny Carnarvon - Western Australia


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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo

Netherlands
813 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2017 :  14:29:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS

Edited by - AlphaLima on 07/08/2017 17:13:16
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danielvelez
Falchetto

Colombia
113 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2017 :  02:47:27  Show Profile  Visit danielvelez's Homepage  Click to see danielvelez's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Ok. I made two accounts on Glidertracker.org Also I have two accounts on livetrack24. Went on sim mode on lk8000 on two android devices (one cellphone on cell network and a tablet on wifi connection).

Both where showing on glidertracker.org.

One of them (tablet) detected a "flarm device" "livetrack24".

Nevertheless, none of the devices saw anything on their screen.

I could see them both on the website, and even went head to head, and passed by really close to each other, but I was not able to see any flarm alarms nor any close friends.

Any ideas?
By the way, im using hangglider/paraglider mode.

Edited by - danielvelez on 07/09/2017 06:11:38
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
1543 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2017 :  09:11:34  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you wan't to get a traffic feedback, you either use LT24 only.
Or you must set the username/password for livetrack24 and glidertracker hub identically and you must import the OGN glidtertracker data into the LT account.
Background:
Glidertracker does not have a traffic feedback yet, but you can get the data from LT24 if you use the same user/password settings.
In order to publish your on position on LT24, you must impoprt the glidertracker data into LT24, which you can setup on the LT24 website as I described in the manual.

We will work on a better solution in wintertime.

Edited by - AlphaLima on 07/09/2017 09:13:14
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danielvelez
Falchetto

Colombia
113 Posts

Posted - 08/09/2017 :  00:53:05  Show Profile  Visit danielvelez's Homepage  Click to see danielvelez's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlphaLima

If you wan't to get a traffic feedback, you either use LT24 only.
Or you must set the username/password for livetrack24 and glidertracker hub identically and you must import the OGN glidtertracker data into the LT account.
Background:
Glidertracker does not have a traffic feedback yet, but you can get the data from LT24 if you use the same user/password settings.
In order to publish your on position on LT24, you must impoprt the glidertracker data into LT24, which you can setup on the LT24 website as I described in the manual.

We will work on a better solution in wintertime.




Just to understand: when you mean same user/password settings, that means the "user/password" under the LK8000 Fiel on the Feed Configuration should be the same as the one used to log-in on livetrack24, or you meant that the glidertracker log-in user and password should be the same that on livetrack24?
At the momment glidertracker has a restriction on passwords for login, as they ask for a caps and a number. No restriction on livetrack24.

I tryied "importing" the glidertracker data into LT24, but the manual is not that clear.
LT24 asks for your ONG Callsign. It suggests a 6 digit character of letters and numbers.
Im guessing that it correspond to the "Address" on the Flarm configuration.
It seems that the "address" only allows numbers.
I also have that number registered as a Devce ID under glidernet.org

The thing is that "field names" between LT24, glidernet.org and glidertracker.org have different labels, so its difficult to figure out what is a Callsign for LT24 and to which it correspond on the others.

I tryied tracking with LT24 only (new pilot profile, sweet.) I could see both android simulating tracks on both phones... Went for a second attempt, trying a "task", but only one of the phones was showing the other. Probably I started one faster than the other and it did not find any flarm traffic on one and didnt bother to look more... (both tracking ok)... so it seems that lk8000 is not pushing too hard on looking for new lt24 feeds.

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