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BravoLima
Aquilotto
Netherlands
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brunotl
Pterodattilo
France
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 Posted - 30/03/2018 : 15:27:47
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
907 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2018 : 13:48:57
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The OpenflightMaps Airspace files have the frequencies attached to the airspace, if applicable. If you select an airspace with a frequency, a button shows with the channel/frequency number in the lower LH corner, I asume that if you have your radio connected and added as device in LK8000, you can push this button and the frequency is send to your radio!?
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Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2018 : 20:41:47
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@BravoLima
In principle a very good idea, but as long there is no data-source for airspace containing AP!, AP there is no need to support it.
Same AW, plus afaik there is no transponder which can be controlled by a external software. For german airspaces the squawk use to be in the airspace name.
@Marco
RTFM!
http://www.bware.it/LK8000/LK8000_v60_Manual.pdf (page 24)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Hia06IMtk |
Edited by - AlphaLima on 06/04/2018 22:21:22 |
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
907 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2018 : 01:15:48
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Ah.. Ok, good!
I didnt know about a manual for V6, sorry
About the transponder, My Garrecht VT01 Ultra Compact has only an RX pin on the Dsub9, no TX, and it only accepts GPS sentences at 4800 baud so it can function as an ADS-B transmitter. iT will ignore any other data send to it.
But to have the transponder code clearly printed on the info panel in LK8000, that only would be a great help. But as long there are no sources that provide this extra data, it indeed makes no sense to program it in LK8000 right now..
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Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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BravoLima
Aquilotto
Netherlands
287 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 09:33:20
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Originally posted by AlphaLima
@BravoLima
In principle a very good idea, but as long there is no data-source for airspace containing AP!, AP there is no need to support it.
Same AW, plus afaik there is no transponder which can be controlled by a external software. For german airspaces the squawk use to be in the airspace name.
The Dutch airspace file that is made available by the GliderPilotShop https://www.gliderpilotshop.com/databases already uses this. |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 12:20:13
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WTF! How should we manage this?
The schedule table is much longer than the airspace definition.
*###################################
*## Radio Mandatory Zone DE KOOY ###
AC RMZ
AN RMZ EHKD
AH 3000 MSL
AL GND
AF 132.350 Dutch Mil
AW MON.00:00L-06:59L
AW MON.22:00L-23:59L
AW TUE.00:00L-06:59L
AW TUE.22:00L-23:59L
AW WED.00:00L-06:59L
AW WED.22:00L-23:59L
AW THU.00:00L-06:59L
AW THU.22:00L-23:59L
AW FRI.00:00L-06:59L
AW FRI.22:00L-23:59L
AW SAT.00:00L-06:59L
AW SAT.11:00L-13:59L
AW SAT.20:00L-23:59L
AW SUN.00:00L-06:59L
AW SUN.11:00L-13:59L
AW SUN.20:00L-23:59L
V D=+
V X=52:55:25 N 004:46:50 E
DB 52:59:14 N 004:55:32 E , 53:01:43 N 004:49:26 E
DP 53:01:43 N 004:49:26 E
V D=+
V X=52:55:25 N 004:46:50 E
DB 53:02:12 N 004:49:38 E , 52:59:31 N 004:56:12 E
DP 52:59:31 N 004:56:12 E
*###################################
And what do we do with it?
If you fly on a sunday morning 10:59 free of airspace. And at 11:00 LK is telling you, you're now in the middle of a RMZ?
Very confusing! Even if we would try to implement a kind of pre-warning time.
(Not talking about the endless implementation, testig, documentation and forum support this would require.) |
Edited by - AlphaLima on 07/05/2018 15:25:50 |
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BravoLima
Aquilotto
Netherlands
287 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 13:48:15
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Originally posted by AlphaLima
Interesting!
BTW: What is the origin of this paper?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n470ayrixj67y9o/OA%20changes.pdf?dl=0
We also had 'AG' in previous NL airspace versions, seem to be removed now.
These new commands come from the GliderPilotShop as well.
I agree it is confusing and the example you give, RMZ De Kooy, is also a CTR. Outside operational hours a military CTR in the Netherlands changes into a RMZ. It has the same dimensions as a CTR but airspace classification is equal to the surrounding airspace, e.g. "G" gnd-1500ft msl and "E" 1500ft-3000ft msl.
Just to make things easier ;-). |
Edited by - BravoLima on 07/05/2018 16:02:18 |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 16:46:02
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Nonsense!
there is tons of such examples!
see Eelde below, in fact this airspace is permanent active for VFR especially for gliders. Something you must be aware in pre flight planning.
In principal a good idea for temporary airspaces and Notams but it's not defined in Open Airspace standard, seems to be a more or less homebrewed idea to me.
And in these examples we can see how easy it becomes a complicated schedule for each airspace seperately.
BTW.: All times are referenced to local time (MEZ), not very common in aviation. So you must make sure your device has the correct time, timezone and daylight saving offset. Plenty of chances for mistakes.
*####### CLASS C AIRSPACE #################################
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*## (CLASS C) EELDE CTR ###
AC CTR
AN CTR EHGG
AH 3000 MSL
AL GND
AF 118.705 Eelde Tower
AW MON.06:30L-22:59L
AW TUE.06:30L-22:59L
AW WED.06:30L-22:59L
AW THU.06:30L-22:59L
AW FRI.06:30L-22:59L
AW SAT.07:30L-21:29L
AW SUN.07:30L-21:29L
AP 01.01.2019.07:30L-01.01.2019.21:29L
AP 30.03.2018.07:30L-30.03.2018.21:29L
AP 01.04.2018.07:30L-02.04.2018.21:29L
AP 27.04.2018.07:30L-27.04.2018.21:29L
AP 05.05.2018.07:30L-05.05.2018.21:29L
AP 10.05.2018.07:30L-10.05.2018.21:29L
AP 20.05.2018.07:30L-21.05.2018.21:29L
AP 25.12.2018.07:30L-26.12.2018.21:29L
DP 53:02:28 N 006:16:17 E
DP 53:06:18 N 006:24:24 E
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Edited by - AlphaLima on 07/05/2018 16:55:26 |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 17:04:17
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In the end, more a task for flight planning tools like StrPla, SeeYou,..
or even better ...
a online airspace generator (incl. "Up to Date" Notams) for a selected day (most commonly tomorrow). As website or smartphone App.
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BravoLima
Aquilotto
Netherlands
287 Posts |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 20:03:43
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
907 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 21:08:42
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I gets so freak'n complicated it makes your head spin!
The last few years the Dutch Air Trafic Control organisation have cooked up at least 5 or 6 completely new types of Airspaces! And now they even introduced airspaces that change identity during the day.. They are just asking for infringements if you ask me.
To program all this in LK8000 I can imagine it is a challenge to say the least.. we indeed should have a website where we can generate a "daily airspace file" in the format we need (AIP, TXT, CUB) and the size we need for that day, crossing borders if needed.
OpenAip should be able to do this or Openflightmaps.. On Open flightmaps you can generate a 1:500.000 VFR map on A3 format in Acrobat PDF and place it exactly over the area you need.. I had a few prepared for the Teuge Tweedaagse, but that contest was canceled due to bad weather.. but very nice and very up to date maps rolled out of the printer!... Something similar should be made to generate airspace files, but somehow that hasn't been done yet by anybody.. maybe because it is getting so complicated and changing so often.
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Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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BravoLima
Aquilotto
Netherlands
287 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2018 : 21:56:31
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quote:
Originally posted by AlphaLima
In the end, more a task for flight planning tools like StrPla, SeeYou,..
or even better ...
a online airspace generator (incl. "Up to Date" Notams) for a selected day (most commonly tomorrow). As website or smartphone App.
The airspace published in the AIP does not change very often, so you can plan this reasonably well in advance.
Notams remain a problem, which you will have to consult shortly before each flight.
The proposed system should work like GPS-aerodata does (database update every 15 minutes). |
Edited by - BravoLima on 08/05/2018 12:59:41 |
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