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dannau
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Chile
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 Posted - 05/03/2013 : 20:21:01
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I am, as most in our flying "business", always looking for the perfect sunlight readable screen. A while ago, I came accros this e-ink smartphone project called Onyx (http://www.androidauthority.com/onyx-e-ink-phone-one-week-battery-life-video-124044/), and thought why can't we just make a e-ink based screen for our devices.
I know there is the screen refresh rate issue, but is it really that a handicap when on the other side you have nearly impossible to read screens in direct sunlight (or sometimes just strong light).
This has probably been discussed elsewhere. Just my 50 cents. |
Circuits sur mesure au Chili et Argentine http://voyagechiliargentine.korke.com |
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kestrel19
Falchetto
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2013 : 23:03:45
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I don't think anyone who has used them would describe the Vertica V1 or V2/Glider Guider or the Oudie 2 as "almost unreadable" in sunlight.
Have you seen any of them?
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JPRosa
Falchetto
Portugal
112 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2013 : 17:41:11
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I do believe in the future of this type of screens.
Any e-reader has a highly readable screen with a large autonomy, I saw a Kobo under direct sunlight, it's amazing.
The difference is you don't need to feed the nits you have at the display.
The problem is that they are Android based, so it is not possible to be used with LK8000.
Unless anyone can find an application to use it as an external screen of another device or another app that can run well.
Windows CE app. |
Joćo Rosa
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
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Posted - 13/03/2013 : 17:45:53
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| More hardware manufacturers are entering the market to provide hardware for LK, they know they must offer CE (for example CE 7) to support LK, and they will, be assured. |
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deedeeeff
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deedeeeff
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
8957 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2013 : 19:19:05
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eink..
Works only with temperatures over 0 degrees C , which is not good for gliders in the alps (at least).
Black and white is practically making graphics at the level of old VGA screens, not good.
Refresh is not a refresh, it is ridicolous.
In summary, a wonderful screen for textual pages, but not for mapping devices, at least with the eink I have tested.
Maybe eink will get better than those screen available (for a few dozen dollars) in any shop right now.
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/04/2013 : 21:15:14
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In the not so distant future (rumours go around.. this year!) eather Amazon or Samsung will release tablets/e-readers with liquavista technology displays.. which looks very promissing, the more sunlight the better it gets, and with refreshrates and resolutions comparable with normal LCD.. and they do not need to be fitted with a nuclear powerplant to keep running for days!
http://youtu.be/Bf1GjCaYzYg |
Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
891 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2013 : 22:05:36
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Originally posted by deedeeeff
E ink Nook Tablet running XCsoar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV8Tf-qidp0
You can bash it as you wish Coolwind, but it is not bad at all and looks pretty amazing to me!.. and as I said in my previous post, better devices with colour displays that are as sun readable as the e-ink phone in the first post, without the need to pump it with 5V/2amps all the time, (so it can double as a heater for you at 20.000 ft ;) ), are just around the corner..
Better to be ready for that, because the community will gonna love it! Paragliders can get rid of the battery packs, glider pilots can save money and weight by removing external batteries as well.. it gets really portable, because there is no need for external power.. in combo with a Bt capable LX Colibri Nano, it is just perfect for club use. No cables, no troubles. |
Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
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Posted - 12/04/2013 : 22:19:04
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We shall see what happens with the new android pna for Xcsoar, based on the V1 -V2 lcd, what else.
Your assumption about power is optimistic. But I am not going to discuss it further. See Garmin products, battery life, and screen-cpu there. |
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
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mazuk
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Germany
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Coolwind
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Italy
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Posted - 10/05/2013 : 12:36:00
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Meanwhile the android PNA for xcsoar has been cancelled.
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JPRosa
Falchetto
Portugal
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Posted - 10/05/2013 : 12:57:32
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Originally posted by mazuk
An other nice project but only with an Android system 
http://www.meetearl.com/
Mazuk
Interesting device. 20 hrs autonomy. Display is too large, but does it have temperature limitations?
Would be possible to assemble an liquid ink screen to an existing device, to make it work with CE? |
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mazuk
Falchetto
Germany
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Posted - 11/05/2013 : 10:35:50
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Here the reply about a WinCe OpSystem:
"Currently Earl is being developed with Android. The i.MX 6 processor is supported by Freescale for WinCE, however most of the components in Earl will not be supported directly by them. We plan to have our hardware open source as well. Hopefully some other developers will be able to help support WinCE in the future!"
Temperature range is posted as from 0-50C
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kestrel19
Falchetto
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2013 : 09:51:21
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We're hearing a lot about e-ink displays but not about them being used in the air.
The main use of e-ink devices in the real world is in readers (Nook, Kindle) where refresh time is not an issue.
Do we know how well any of the devices being discussed cope with moving maps?
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