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davesalmon
Pterodattilo
United Kingdom
1645 Posts |
 Posted - 01/12/2012 : 15:20:58
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| Thanks Paolo, it is fine in portrait. The new controls for replay and sim are good. |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 15:45:43
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Dave,
thanks for your feedback and sorry for my late reply but I'm already back form the US. You are always a good tester with positive but critical view and give a good input for us.
Well, I would like to remind the way it was done. First we had the sideview in the analysis page. A lot of people (including you) were happy about it but wanted it to have a bigger screen and had problems with the binocular. So we added a little top view, it was mainly in order to have a better understanding of the “viewpoint” than the binoculars. So than we thought it is a good idea to let the user change the ratio between top and sideview. We also added zoom features for vertical and horizontal scaling.
But the main purpose is still the sideview, so that the top view orientation is given by the sideview.
I personally fly more in the flatlands than then in mountains and it works perfect for me and it is much better to understand than it was before; it has a wider screen, zoom functions. But now it is unusable for you? If it is the additional top view confusing you, remove it!
I'm afraid if we will decouple the top/side view it will get even more confusing than before. Than we have two independent visualizations on a small screen.
Of course it would be worth a try, but as you may have noticed while the multimap development, it needs a lot of work and time. For sure I personally will not use it this way. So please understand that before changing the concept there must be more than one user (without testing it in real flight) requesting it.
Are there more people want the split screen to be separated?
Of course it is a new novel concept which may need some improvements, but it is already a giant step in airspace awareness.
I would also like you to make a visual concept, how it should look like without being confusing.
I have an idea how to make it. But I see it will result in a lot of more problems. (Must we zoom booth independently? Do we need all settings to be separated? Do we place the aircraft symbols differently?)
Thanks
Ulli
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davesalmon
Pterodattilo
United Kingdom
1645 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 16:59:00
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Thanks Ulli, have you been for some more whisky?
The original sideview was a brilliant step forward, though I must admit I was one of those who had a problem with Nearest, at times I never really did get my head round it. However now with global sonar I can leave it alone if I want to.
The other views Heading and Task, were, and are, quite easy to interpret, and it doesn't really matter where N is. The only problem for me with the original was having to switch from and to the map screen. There was for me no problem of visualising the airspace, even though map was N up (my preference) and sideview was mostly to the right. I am mainly concerned with the depiction of the airspace.
So my hope for Multimap was that it would be just a split screen, the proportions variable, with the sideviews superimposed on the normal map (top) view, which would always have the orientation and airspace display selected in Setup, In fact, what we had before, but both views on one screen.
I understand that some pilots will like the coupled version, so I am just suggesting a choice to uncouple.I would have thought that zoom should apply to all screens, was it intended that if you zoom one sideview screen, then change to another screen, when you go back to the first screen the zoom level has gone back to what it was before you changed it?
It probably is a bit better on a portrait setup, as you have two approximately square screens rather than 2 long narrow ones.
I do know of one other user who thinks like I do, because we have corresponded privately. So why not give the option, if it can be done technically.
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Marco from Hangar 5
Pterodattilo
Netherlands
896 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 17:02:12
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Thanks for this Beta 3.1i! Wow!, a lot of work has gone in this version, I just had a glimpse on it, not really have the time to thouroughly test it.
I have run a log replay for a short while with airspaces nearby, but I think it is very usefull these various sideviews, in combination with the top view it is quite easy to determine which airspace (or mountain) you are looking at in the sideview.
So, talking to Dave now, I think the top view on page 2 to 4 should only be used for that purpose, to make sure you know which sideview you are looking at and nothing else. For navigating page 1 is the place to be (with North up).
At first sight I also thought that the top view should be the same as on page 1, but that in turn would make the sideview confusing, because then you have no idea through which vertical plane the sky is cut, the top view gives you the information to make that clear.
I think I understand how Page 4 works (vertical plane through gliderposition and nearest airspace), but I do not see the use of it.. what if the nearest airspace is behind you?.. which is often the case with gliderfields near airapsaces like Soesterberg, or Uelzen near the NATO shooting areas and such, most of the time you are flying away from these, so if it works as I think it does, in that case showing 80% of the screen you never will go to! Or do I miss something?
Page 2 and 3 are at the other hand very usefull !
Next few days I will try 3.1i a little more, also curious how that FAI helper works :)
For now, many thanks for the good work!
Marco
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Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegcentrum Noordkop, NETHERLANDS |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
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brunotl
Pterodattilo
France
1171 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 21:33:38
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| @GVACILOTTO : can you send to me a task file and map mane you use ? |
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fré
Pulcino
Belgium
45 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 11:59:02
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Okay, well... I like it very much, but I may have another request here.
Would it be possible to disable some of multimap-pages?
IMO, some people will or may not really be interested in all 4, wanting to keep it basic.
Just scrolling through the main screen and 1 airspace-page, may just be easier and more informative than cluttering it up with screens that are not informative enough for that particular flight, free flight, no airspace, ...
Not sure about this, but I can imagine not everybody needs or wants this much information. |
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
8957 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 12:20:43
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Yes I add multimap configuration in system config, as for bottom bar, custom menu, infopages etc.
Also because we might have some more multimaps, and people can choose. |
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ada
Pulcino
Belgium
8 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 15:07:59
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Hello Gvacilotto, hello All,
A bug?
It seems to be a virtual "take-off" waypoint and not the real start waypoint.
So, to eliminate it and recover the true start point from an already existing task :
- Go to NAV, page 2,
- Task edit,
- Click on the waypoint of departure,
- Details/Details/Next/Next/ Set as a new Home/Close/Close.
Have a nice day learning this fabulous program.
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GVACILOTTO
Pulcino
Brazil
83 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 11:45:40
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| @ada, i tried to do it but didnt work... |
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parapenT1sta
Pterodattilo
Portugal
1865 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 14:14:54
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| Guilherme, send your files to Bruno. |
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GVACILOTTO
Pulcino
Brazil
83 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 15:03:13
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Acabei de enviar...
I just sent...
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brunotl
Pterodattilo
France
1171 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 19:58:12
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| @GVACILOTTO : Fixed |
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bo.
Pterodattilo
843 Posts |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
1999 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 22:29:23
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seems that you used a "not yet defined" closing turnpoint. Don't know how you managed that.
Maybe you moved too far, than the trace is interrupted, after that the FAI optimizer cannot find a correct closingpoint anymore.
I need a reproduce procedure to find the problem. |
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New beta 3.1i available