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JBlyth
Pulcino
Australia
85 Posts |
 Posted - 12/03/2012 : 03:28:38
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"I want to buy full option with real TFT screen, full Bluetooth, and TMC over usb port.
Regards
Jarek
I am in the same quandary! Blue tooth is important for me, but the screen brightness is vital.... |
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KaiWheeler
New Entry
4 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2012 : 11:00:28
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Hi Guys,
I received my V1 in the post a couple of weeks ago and after having a thorough play with it I must say I’m very impressed. My previous units have all been cheap Chinese unbranded PNAs which have performed poorly in everything but dull conditions when I’m flying. A couple of flights in full sunlight has shown the V1 to be fully readable in nearly all light conditions with the exception of maybe the sun directly perpendicular to the device, which in a glider never happens as the device is angled towards your face.
I managed to get a side by side comparison this weekend with an original Oudie and a Dell Streak. I took a couple of pictures below to illustrate the differences. The Oudie was very poor in comparison and became unreadable when not shielded from the sun with your hand. I’m sure the recently announced brighter screen Oudie will perform comparably with the V1 but at twice the cost for what seems to be identical hardware I will be sticking with my V1. The dell streak is good and easily comparable with the V1, the screen is not as bright as the V1 but it is equally as readable in all sunlight conditions.
On a side note, has anyone managed to get the USBhost to work on the V1, I am really keen to modify a small USB numeric keypad to provide a remote control in the glider in preference to using the touchscreen. I realise I need to provide a separate power feed to the keypad via a splitter cable but do I then need to make any registry changes or install any utilities? I suspect it’s not just a case of plug and play? Any help from someone who’s got a peripheral device to work on a PNA would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Kai
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tomm
Pulcino
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 17:47:05
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Jarek, the GPS that I am trying to do a group buy has the same specs as the V1. I am able to get the group buy soon if interested.
Tom
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I am really confused now. I see the same PNA devices with high brightness LCD in price range from 245$ to over 450$!!!
What are the technical details for those devices? I know that You can order those devices from manufacturer with different options but looks like everybody is just doing "copy and paste" the same technical details. I am planning to buy one for testing but I want to buy full option with real TFT screen, full Bluetooth, and TMC over usb port.
Regards
Jarek
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
7513 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2012 : 17:56:52
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| Tom, your gps you are going to buy will not be usable in flight unless connected to an external gps. You are warned.. |
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Jaros
Pulcino
USA
48 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2012 : 03:54:32
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Originally posted by Coolwind
Tom, your gps you are going to buy will not be usable in flight unless connected to an external gps. You are warned..
Would You please explain what do You mean.
I found on that website that there is an issue with internal GPS
http://tango-pna.blogspot.com/
If we need to connect external devices I need to think about changing my project and make it somehow transparent from internal miniusb port to external usb port/BT. Best option would be if I gather NMEA input going to GoFlyPico, add mine NMEA string with real vario data, and send out everything together over miniusb output or Bluetooth. But the question is, if LK8000 will be able to parse two different NMEA strings(protocols) from one COM/serial port?
Regards
Jarek |
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
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Posted - 19/03/2012 : 10:35:33
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Originally posted by Jaros
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Originally posted by Coolwind
Tom, your gps you are going to buy will not be usable in flight unless connected to an external gps. You are warned..
Would You please explain what do You mean.
I found on that website that there is an issue with internal GPS
http://tango-pna.blogspot.com/
If we need to connect external devices I need to think about changing my project and make it somehow transparent from internal miniusb port to external usb port/BT. Best option would be if I gather NMEA input going to GoFlyPico, add mine NMEA string with real vario data, and send out everything together over miniusb output or Bluetooth. But the question is, if LK8000 will be able to parse two different NMEA strings(protocols) from one COM/serial port?
Regards
Jarek
That's the issue. Problems with the internal GPS. Read the Vertica V1 topic on this forum. |
www.facebook.com/LK8000 |
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mazuk
Falchetto
Germany
117 Posts |
Posted - 22/03/2012 : 11:46:05
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Hello,
has anybody some experience with the HOLUX 62G in sunlight ?
ciao
Mazuk |
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Aeronemo
Pulcino
France
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 09:55:46
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What I don't understand: here we're speeking about around 900 nits for the V1. brithness of te 61CS seems more or less the same on coolwind's tests and in other hand on the Holux web site they talk about 350 nits for the 61CS and 400 nits for 62G.
So 2 remarks: the 62G could be a very good solution, isn't it? and who talk about the right "nits"? |
Leonardo Pro-MIO M400-LK8000 V3.1b |
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wolf_pg
Falchetto
Czech Republic
158 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 14:33:40
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Originally posted by Aeronemo
What I don't understand: here we're speeking about around 900 nits for the V1. brithness of te 61CS seems more or less the same on coolwind's tests and in other hand on the Holux web site they talk about 350 nits for the 61CS and 400 nits for 62G.
So 2 remarks: the 62G could be a very good solution, isn't it? and who talk about the right "nits"?
back on trees, please. I'm curious, how many times will be discussed this issue
"...nits is derived SI unit of luminance..." more see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nit_%28unit%29
Luminance is understand as part of "sunlight visibility", but, by my opinion and experiences, more important are display type and quality.
Transreflective displays, e.g. Holux FT 130 and GPSmile61CS, shown better "sunlight readibility" with less luminance power, than V1, Royaltech (and it brand clones) and MIO 400 (etc.).
One additional explanation: Transreflective not means (simplified), that surface is less reflexes, which could be substitue by some kind of non-reflexive surface film, but it means, that light incident on display top surface PASSING THROUGH to bottom display layers, where are REFLECTED BACKWARDS and amplified backlight. based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid_crystal_display
62G is not good solution, really- equipped with CPU Atlas V (potential smoothing track on sailplanes), haven't transreflective display and is not so shock resist.
I had possibility to check (on ground) all HOLUX models on direct sunlight, where FT 130 and GPSmile61 shown suitable "sunlight readability" only.
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Fat Albert
Pulcino
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 16:36:11
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This composite image, taken in overcast daylight, speaks for itself. The TFT screens are barely readable except where in shadow. The Kyobo's Mirasol screen, being intended for e-reading, has no back light at all in bright sun, as a result it runs soaring software for at least 12 hours on the internal battery.
and the Kyobo compare to an iPad in sunlight (yes, the iPad is on!)
See here for more images and discussion |
a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
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Marco from Hangar 5
Aquila imperiale
Netherlands
470 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 18:20:24
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Originally posted by Fat Albert
This composite image, taken in overcast daylight, speaks for itself. The TFT screens are barely readable except where in shadow. The Kyobo's Mirasol screen, being intended for e-reading, has no back light at all in bright sun, as a result it runs soaring software for at least 12 hours on the internal battery.
and the Kyobo compare to an iPad in sunlight (yes, the iPad is on!)
See here for more images and discussion
Could be a perfect size for a panel integration project!
But it is just waiting for the first Smartphone with this kind of technology.. but could take a while because they have to find a solution to make it readable in the dark as well. |
Marco
BU (PH-588)
Mini Nimbus HS7, s/n 039
http://www.zweef.nl/
Zweefvliegclub Den Helder, NETHERLANDS |
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KarmaGianni
Falchetto
Italy
181 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 21:20:45
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@Fat Albert: Is Kyobo a Windows device? How have you been able to upload LK8000????
I always thought it's just android... |
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AlphaLima
Moderator
Germany
849 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 21:46:53
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| It is an Android device, simply showing a screenshot of LK8000. |
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Fat Albert
Pulcino
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 22:40:11
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Thanks for noticing KG and close, but no cigar AL
It's running remote control software (Team Viewer) over WiFi (portable access point) to an OQO UMPC running XP Tablet which is running LK8000 :-)
So the Kyobo is simply being used as a screen/input device for the Windows version of LK. It is in fact, perfectly usable, since LK's interface does not require multi-touch...
I am working on two other options, one of which may result in LK running on the Kyobo without the UMPC... |
a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
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Coolwind
Moderator
Italy
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 23:14:22
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But Albert, that device is bigger than the biggest device ever seen on a glider!
How can you position that screen aboard?? It looks bigger than the cockpit itself.. |
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Sunlight readable Screens