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Jaros
Pulcino

USA
47 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  14:44:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wolf_pg


Reasons are very simply and should be reduced in following points:
Electronic parts - for car GPS you can use cheaper, less quality technical solution, as well as electronics parts, e.g. displays(TFT display is not enough good as transreflective ones - for airborne use), batteries (car/motorbike have 12 V energy source available), etc.Car navigations are part of automotive industry: several times wider market.Automotive industry tend to press down production costs.
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Wolf,
thanks for answer, I can say Holux is different so I can understand paying extra price for extra features.
But waiting for other dealers, maybe they want to say something more.
I am not asking about dedicated aircraft devices which has to pass all certifications before you can put it inside Boeing 777,or dedicated variometer for paragliders pilots where there are only thousands potential costumers.
I'm asking about those PNAs (available for50-100$), with the same electronics inside, the same pcb boards, same enclosures. There is no higher grade electronics for sure, difference between higher capacity battery is about 1-2$, there is also no extra features dedicated for pilots. It is still same old car navigation. And the only difference I see is higher brightness LCD,probably just higher brightness LED strip in backlight for few times higher price.And market, there is no special market in that case.

But maybe there is something I'm missing.

Regards
Jarek
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lawrence
Pulcino

United Kingdom
65 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  21:44:17  Show Profile  Visit lawrence's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jarek - it is not only a case of a brighter screen but a different LCD screen and coating. Cheaper PNA/PDA's don't really compare that well in real use to what is becoming available now.
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ch4mp
Pulcino

France
19 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  22:57:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lawrence

Hi Jarek - it is not only a case of a brighter screen but a different LCD screen and coating. Cheaper PNA/PDA's don't really compare that well in real use to what is becoming available now.


Price difference should be the one of the screen.
I believe the current price of 5'' transflective screen to be under 50€ (and should decrease as technology is more widely addopted).
So basic transflective PNA has no clear reason to be 25-50€ more expensive than basic non transflective PNAs...
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rmerigan
Pulcino

Australia
97 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2012 :  07:52:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A new sunlight readable screen?
Google Sunglasses http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/technology/google-glasses-will-be-powered-by-android.html
Might be using something like this http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/lumus-oe-31-optical-engine-turns-motorcycle-helmets-other-eyew/
Hmmm LK8000 3D ??? motion sensors in the glasses track where your looking overlay Wp, airspace, 3d thermal centering, Flarm traffic etc.
It might take a bit more processor than you can fit into a PNA and a pair of sunglasses :(
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wolf_pg
Falchetto

Czech Republic
148 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2012 :  12:29:07  Show Profile  Visit wolf_pg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ch4mp
I believe the current price of 5'' transflective screen to be under 50€ (and should decrease as technology is more widely addopted).
So basic transflective PNA has no clear reason to be 25-50€ more expensive than basic non transflective PNAs...



I am disagree.
Transreflective screens technology not become used widely in last three - four years, when I am focused on this particular products. For larger display sizes especially.

PNA with transreflective display are used for "rugged PNA" almost, e.g. barcodes readers, GIS and hi-resolution GPS units (various field measurements - geological, etc.). These kinds of units are manufactured with very suitable features for flying (good GPS chipset, CPU, internal memory, transreflective displays, etc.), as well as shock proof (free fall test from 1,20 m height to concrete floor - if I remember it well), but their display is 3,5" maximally.... and wholesaler purchasing price is not lower than 350 USD :-/

I am quite sceptical about hardware used for Android installations, too, where manufacturers haven't any interest and reason to think about something, like as transreflective screens, production not to mention....

We have to take in consideration, that flying is minority..... from mass production point of view and therefore low prices will be quite rare....


wolf
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SOL paragliders and Holux aero GPS distributor
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freewing70
Pterodattilo

Italy
1075 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2012 :  14:29:24  Show Profile  Visit freewing70's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I just received the V1 from Lawrence; nice item!
But I have some problems with sat fix.
I guess the correct com port is Generic COM7; can anybody please tell me the parameters (baud rate and bit)?

Thanks
Enrico

aeroclub valle d'aosta
http://www.aecaosta.it
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AlphaLima
Moderator

Germany
826 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2012 :  15:06:06  Show Profile  Visit AlphaLima's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm not sure but I think it is COM4:
But you can check it with the following tool:
LK8000\_System\_CEUtilities\GPSScan.exe
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brunotl
Falchetto

France
153 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2012 :  02:10:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
for V1 Use : Generic / COM1 / 38400 / 8bit / Mode : Normal / Checksum : Enabled

I have one and it fine with this setting ....

Edited by - brunotl on 07/03/2012 03:05:18
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo

Canada
1443 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2012 :  03:47:14  Show Profile  Visit TiGuy82's Homepage  Click to see TiGuy82's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I should be receiving V1 during this week! ;)

The website talks about COM1 * 4800

http://www.verticasports.com/shop-2/products/v1-flight-instrument/

www.facebook.com/LK8000
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freewing70
Pterodattilo

Italy
1075 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2012 :  15:57:39  Show Profile  Visit freewing70's Homepage  Reply with Quote
OK, thanks a lot. Lawrence aconfirmed me that the correct on is COM1 / 38400 / 8bit / Mode: Normal / Checksum: Enabled, as brunotl wrote (thx!).

Now the further question is: does anybody know HOW it is possible to put on V1 desktop the link to another application (.exe)?

aeroclub valle d'aosta
http://www.aecaosta.it
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brunotl
Falchetto

France
153 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2012 :  19:27:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by freewing70

Now the further question is: does anybody know HOW it is possible to put on V1 desktop the link to another application (.exe)?




I also find for do this...
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wolf_pg
Falchetto

Czech Republic
148 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2012 :  00:29:44  Show Profile  Visit wolf_pg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I can release it finally:
http://www.wolf-gear.com/index.php/en/instruments/18-gps/81-holux-gpsmile61cs

First delivery in the end of this month.

wolf
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SOL paragliders and Holux aero GPS distributor
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soarAK
Pulcino

USA
74 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2012 :  12:57:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is the new unit gray not green. The picture on your website shows it gray is that correct?
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tomm
Pulcino

12 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2012 :  15:48:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I will be doing a group buy of a PNA with 950 nit resolution if anyone is interested. The cost is $245. I can ship International for $20 extra. Same specs as the V1 but with higher nit resolution. If interested please PM me.
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo

Canada
1443 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2012 :  16:13:06  Show Profile  Visit TiGuy82's Homepage  Click to see TiGuy82's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tomm

I will be doing a group buy of a PNA with 950 nit resolution if anyone is interested. The cost is $245. I can ship International for $20 extra. Same specs as the V1 but with higher nit resolution. If interested please PM me.


Can you share some pics of the unit?

www.facebook.com/LK8000
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