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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
 Posted - 16/04/2011 : 00:40:11
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The 2.3 version will have many changes for paragliding pilots.
I really need your opinion about the new interface! I told Paolo as a Paragliding pilot I like simple things, I like a software that doesn't request many clicks during flight. I used to fly with Flymaster Nav+: http://www.flymaster.net/Products/NAVforPDAs/tabid/90/Default.aspx , easy software and only had the essential on the screen.
My proposal is (and I need your opinion because this will be the definitive interface for paragliding mode from 2.3 version):
- Remove the 1.x infopages (1.1,1.2...)! Too many information on the screen at the same time! If I count the bottom bar information + infopage information are about 22 values! Let's remove them? What do you think?
In this case we only have Map > 1.x Waypoints > 2.x Com. Waypoints
- Customizable overlay map information. Maybe we could setup 2 overlay map information configuration and have the possibility to switch between them during the flight.
- Less bottom bars! Only 2 or 3... (that will be about 15 values!) , Do you need more than that? I prefer bottom bars because I can change the information and still see the map! If I switch to infopages... as I said is too many information and NO map.
- Less menu buttons on the screen! Do you really use all that buttons? I don't, and I don't think that you do it :) Let's vote for those buttons that you NEVER or rarely used.
Please give your opinion! Is really important!
To Remove:
- 1.x InfoPages
- Menu buttons:
-- TrueWind Calc (put Lock Screen button instead)
-- Nav (2/3): Team Code
- Most of bottom bars
- 14 Task & 15 Task rules on the Setup System
- 16, 17, 18, 19 Infobox menus on the Setup System
To Merge:
- 2.1 and 2.2 (After the merge: 2.1 Turnpoints, 2.2 LNDB&Apts)
To Add:
- Custom Map overlay information
- Time out when 2.x and 3.x is selected! (After a few seconds go back to Map screen)
- "Lock screen" custom key option
- More Zoom Values (parabartek) and change the Standard, More (thermal zoom) to Numeric zoom values
- Cruise, Thermal and Custom Bar menu on the Setup System with max 6 configuration field in each menu |
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Edited by - TiGuy82 on 17/04/2011 20:47:34 |
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cefeme
Pulcino
Mexico
8 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2011 : 01:09:14
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I fully agree: reducing the amount of information displayed on any given screen makes
in-flight use much simpler and less stressful. Information overload is just as bad as
no info at all! I vote cut it down to the essentials. Greetings. Cristian
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2011 : 01:14:03
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That's exactly what I told Paolo but he wants to hear from other pilots too.
I prefer simple and the essential...
And we still have to decide what menu buttons to remove!
I vote to remove TrueWind Calc |
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rmerigan
Pulcino
Australia
97 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2011 : 05:26:12
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I agree to all above, but I would like to see improvement in the Comp tasks.
1/Ability to make another waypoint in the task the startgate not just the first one.
2/ fix the task optimisation plus some selectable fields eg distance to optimised point on cylinder 1mt resolution, dist to wp centre 1mt res, bearing to optimised point on cylinder, bearing to WP centre, I note that when thermalling the optimisation seems to jump from thermal center circle to the waypoint circle??
3/GoTo Button, list of nearest WP, and a list of nearest landables.How do you edit a WP to make it landable?
4/True wind, a bit hard to use without a compass.
5/Task edit, easier to insert WP or change WP in a task.eg select WP in a task then have option to edit,change/insert or delete.
cheers Rod
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2011 : 11:38:45
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Hi Rod,
Paolo is aware about the task system for paragliders... He knows about it since I start using LK8000, and now it's the time to do it :) Don't worry, this topic is more about the interface but for sure we will have one for the task. Let's go Step by step.
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parabartek
Pulcino
Poland
49 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2011 : 15:27:01
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About infopages - we don't need them, maybe only one infopage, with current task, but not values but grafical showing of the task, or route, with distance from home/take off
Bottom bars - like you said we need about 3 of them.
And Zoom this must be more configurable
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Kujawsko-Pomorski Team http://www.kujpomteam.paralotnie.pl/
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2011 : 15:36:07
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In my opinion not even one infopage! :) I never never never used!
What do you think having 3 bottom bars (as I recommend) but with no CRUISE or THERMAL mode? I never looked to the bottom bar when I'm climbing in the thermal! If I'm in a thermal with more then 10 guys the last thing I want to to is look to the screen looking for some text information.
I also agree with more zoom values... (i will add to the list) |
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parabartek
Pulcino
Poland
49 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2011 : 18:05:42
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| I think that cruise and thermal can stay, plus one configurable bottom bar. On the map when we are set a task we have a bearing and distance to the next wp, I think in free XC flight we should have there a actual track course and distance from takeof. The map is a place when you are looking at first time in flight, so there should be a track course and distance. |
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2011 : 20:46:03
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We already have the distance from Take-off (was made some thing ago by my request), is called "Home Distance".
I agree with your suggestion, having 3 bottom bars: Cruise, Thermal & Custom. Depending the screen resolution you can have 5 or 6 data information in each bottom bar.
Paolo should remove the 16, 17, 18, 19 Infobox menus on the Setup System and replace for 16 Cruise, 17 Thermal and 18 Custom Bottom bar.
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Edited by - TiGuy82 on 17/04/2011 20:48:33 |
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parabartek
Pulcino
Poland
49 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2011 : 07:08:25
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quote:
Originally posted by TiGuy82
We already have the distance from Take-off (was made some thing ago by my request), is called "Home Distance".
Yes but in the bottom bar? |
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parabartek
Pulcino
Poland
49 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2011 : 07:19:17
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Another usefull thing:
Vario sound. I have many questions about the sond of vario, if we have a grafical vario, way not a sound?
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2011 : 11:17:32
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quote:
Originally posted by parabartek
Yes but in the bottom bar?
Yes, If you setup as one of the top data information on the infopages, it will shown on the bottom bar.
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Originally posted by parabartekAnother usefull thing:
Vario sound. I have many questions about the sond of vario, if we have a grafical vario, way not a sound?
Because GPS altitude is not precise. You only get a precise altitude if you have LK8000 connected to a Vario (baro) but all of them already have their own sound. |
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Edited by - TiGuy82 on 18/04/2011 11:19:12 |
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parabartek
Pulcino
Poland
49 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2011 : 14:33:38
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In Bottom bar its not what i want. I thought that track and distance from homedistance could be one of the values in map, just like we have a T-task, 1,2, Best alternate, when we canadjusting this by toutching the left upper corner of thr device.
I know that precision of the gps is not exectly what we need, but producers of PNA are starting to equpit the PNA with presure gauge. |
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elias
Pulcino
Germany
47 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2011 : 15:32:04
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The discussion about the infopages giving information overkill is also vaild for gliders and not only pg. I never use them either... At least not much. One single independendly customizable Infopage would do.
For me it would be great to have 6 or 8 values on the right, and a 60 min baro analysis (or maybe even any of the analysis screens) on the left of the infopage. Something a littlebit more similiar to SeeYou Mobile statistics page .
My "Dream" Infopage
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Alf
Pulcino
Italy
97 Posts |
Posted - 19/04/2011 : 11:09:24
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I agree with simplification, as long as we do not exaggerate. I mean, LK has the enormous advantage to be very configurable. Maybe Paolo and the other developers may make it even more configurable, for para/Hang Gliders, in order to leave us the opportunity to reduce the information for the ones of us who wish to do that.
I will testify how I use LK on hang gliders (I use it in standard mode on gliders, instead)
1) Map mode with Cruise bottom bar customized by me.
2) When I enter a thermal it automatically switches to Thermal bottom bar (customized by me, with a few different things from the Cruise bar). When I am not in a very crowded thermal I do look at that bottom bar.
3) When I need or can, and when not in turbulence, I use a custom key ("Toggle map<>Current page") to quickly enter the Custom Infobox, where I find 8 informations that I customized. Of course, I put them there because they are not essential, so I seldom look at them. But I sometimes do.
So, basically, normally I do not touch anything, or almost.
Hence, here is my "vote" and suggestion:
Quoting TiGuy:
To Remove:
- 1.x InfoPages
(I would keep at least one 1.x infopage, customizable, with 8 values)
- Menu buttons:
-- TrueWind Calc (put Lock Screen button instead)
-- Nav (2/3): Team Code
(I agree)
- Most of bottom bars
- 14 Task & 15 Task rules on the Setup System
(Why removing possibilities from Setup System? It doesn't hurt us, since we never enter it in flight. I sometimes changed (on the ground) the values in those pages, for various reasons)
- 16, 17, 18, 19 Infobox menus on the Setup System
(I agree, provided that we still have, as suggested, Cruise, Thermal and Custom Bar menus, all customizable)
To Merge:
- 2.1 and 2.2 (After the merge: 2.1 Turnpoints, 2.2 LNDB&Apts)
(I agree)
To Add:
- Custom Map overlay information
- Time out when 2.x and 3.x is selected! After a few seconds go back to Map screen
- "Lock screen" custom key option
(Good!)
- More Zoom Values (parabartek) and change the Standard, More (thermal zoom) to Numeric zoom values
- Cruise, Thermal and Custom Bar menu on the Setup System with max 6 configuration field in each menu
(I agree, I would only add that having 8 configuration fields like it is now does not hurt anyone because you don't see number 7 and 8 in flight, anyway. But if you need those two infos and have time and possibility to do it, you may enter the appropriate infopage and recover them. So why not?)
I would add another request:
May we have back the 1.6 Turn infopage for PG too? Para and hang gliders don't have spoilers, so a big cumulus may, on rare occasions, "suck" in it the imprudent and unlucky pilot, and in that case the artificial horizon representation could help in flying straight until out of it. I tried it in airplanes, and it is surprisingly quite accurate. Much better than having nothing, for sure! Maybe a custom key could give us a chance to quickly activate it in such an emergency.
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TiGuy82
Pterodattilo
Canada
1443 Posts |
Posted - 19/04/2011 : 17:35:36
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| About removing the task... that configuration changes everytime you create a new task! Setup System should be to configurations that we dont' change many times. |
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2.3 version = New interface for PG!